Centurion, the world's first MBT


By His Majesty's Royal British standard of all of the plain things Awesome and British of course. Back then there was no real definition that is solid of an MBT was and it varied from country to nation but Britain ...



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  • By His Majesty's Royal British standard of all things Awesome and British of course.
  • Back then there was no real solid definition of what an MBT was and it varied from nation to nation but Britain considered the Centurion an MBT and it was the first by nearly a year ahead of the T-54.
  • Soviets never considered T-54 to be MBT. In their documentations T-54 and 55 are medium tanks. Also, existance of the T-10 and T-10M in service only reinforce that.
  • What about the Pershing, or T-44? Either can be considered an attempt to balance Mobility, Protection, and Firepower into what is now recognized as the MBT mold.
  • Again back then it was mainly down to what each nation classed their own tanks as, The T-44 was a medium tank and the Pershing was actually designated a heavy tank by the US till the M103 was created and was then re-designated a medium tank.
  • The Pershing was designated as a heavy tank though. It was designed (originally) as an upgrade for the Sherman to respond to the threat of Germany's heavy tanks like the Panther and the Tiger, not to take on the role of that of a balanced MBT.
  • it could be said that the british centurion was also an attempt at dealing with those tanks, as it had it's thick armor specifically to counter 88mm guns
  • Britain considered the Centurion an MBT So it's only a matter of "who used/coined the designation first" and not about actual ability of a vehicle to perform in multiple roles due to balanced design?
  • Back Post-WW2 and even now there's no clear definition of what an MBT is, It's not like all these countries were working together to decide such insignificant things because ultimately the designation fo the tank meant little when it was on the battlefield doing its job.
  • there's no clear definition of what an MBT is Well, there is this: A tank with a good balance of firepower, cross-country mobility, and armoured protection, and therefore capable of carrying out the roles of breakthrough, exploitation and infantry support. And this one fits older platforms than Centurion. It's not like all these countries were working together to decide such insignificant things I did not imply that they did. What I said is this: Centurion is world's first MBT because somebody in Britain invented an ambiguous/meaningless term that "stuck".
  • A tank with a good balance of firepower, cross-country mobility, and armoured protection, and therefore capable of carrying out the roles of breakthrough, exploitation and infantry support. Just about every tank ever can fall into that definition that's why i said there's no CLEAR definition of what an MBT is because any attempt to describe it ends up being too vague/broad.
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