For ages been torn on Guam, it seems like a island that is really beautiful most of my friends that PCS'd there said it was a hell hole. Of course these were the friends that are same had been terrified to walk off ...
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- Always been torn on Guam, it looks like a really beautiful island but most of my friends that PCS'd there said it was a hell hole. Of course these were the same friends that were terrified to walk off base in Seoul to go get some Korean fried chicken.
- Looks awesome. I love Guam! I received my scuba cert from MDA there while my sub was getting fixed. We were there for about three weeks.
- Saw one of these fly overhead when I was at Ft. Lewis last summer. We had a Major with us that served in a Ranger unit for the majority of his career, who's seen some sh!t, and even he said he'd never seen one before.
- Hey, you got MilitaryPorn on my EarthPorn. Hey, you got EarthPorn on my MilitaryPorn.
- why do bombers need escorts?
- They dont its just a photo op.
- I know put some bombers gets escorts right? Why?
- Oh, well while bombers like the B-52 and B-2 once detected can defend themselves fairly well against SAMs and A2A missiles with countermeasures of various sorts but they would be no real match to an enemy fighter which would just resort to using its guns, remember these are high sub-sonic planes so 500-600mph, a 3rd gen fighter could catch one and keep pace easily. The B-1 could get away with its supersonic speed (Mach 1.25 at altitude) and countermeasures but even it couldn't evade much more than a 4th gen fighter, which could catch it with ease and especially if it used its guns. Its kinda hard to evade a few hundred high explosive 20-30 mm cannon rounds which move at mach 4. B-2s would be the ones though that would most often have escorts, but only in unsecured airspace that is guarded by fighters as they are super high value assets and would be used to break enemy air defenses and could encounter enemy fighters, so F-22's or F-35's would be great escorts as they to are highly stealthy and wouldn't give away the flights presence like an f-15 or something would.
- In an actual mission though, the B-2 would rarely have any escort. First, the range of any fighter is far lower than the B-2's 11,000 km range. Second, the B-2's greatest defense is stealth, and adding more planes increases the likelihood of detection. And once detected (by a nation with a modern military), they're facked regardless of how many fighters are present.
- they're facked regardless of how many fighters are present. Not when the jets protecting them are F-22s.
- F22s aren't necessarily going to win a straight-out encounter within visual range though, for example it's ambiguous at best whether they can overcome a Typhoon
- You are absolutely correct. The F22s are actually designed to excel at BVR combat and their close range fighting abilities are not that great. I believe during a dogfighting exercise the Typhoon was able to out maneuver and best a Raptor. Not the mention in an escort mission over enemy airspace the accompanying jets would run out of ammo fairly quickly regardless of how much more advanced the Raptors are compared to the defenders (there will be way more defender jets). Then it becomes a turkey shoot.
- Do you have a source for this dog fighting exercise? Because militaries don't usually "dog fight" each other's planes in a non-lethal environment.
- This Luftwaffe versus USAF exercise in Alaska is the source of rumours, but as the article states we don't really know
- I read it awhile ago. It was during an exercise of course, and I think it was called Red Flag. Here's what a quick google came up with: http://www.businessinsider.com/f-22-wont-win-a-dogfight-thrust-vectoring-raptor-typhoon-eurofighter-2013-2 There are better sources elsewhere.
- A typhoon? Are you serious? Do you know anything about jets? The F-22 is very maneuverable, faster, and has an immense amount of technology to go with it. A typhoon has almost no shot at an F-22 even within visible range. The only jet that might in the future is the PAK-FA and that isn't even finished yet.
- Ummm. "Do you know anything about jets?..A typhoon has almost no shot at an F-22 even within visible range" Read more comments