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- Diamond bullets
- They did mention they'd like some help rebuilding.
- Damn Terrorist and their greifing!
- Saw the minecraft comment and didn't understand it for a solid half hour. Took a second look at the photo and in milliseconds it hit me
- It's strange how different they look to the average SAS operative. SAS guys just look like normal, run of the mill blokes. Where as these guys look like they've spent a decent amount of time in the GYM.
- It's the same with Delta. They always look like normal dudes, not hyper jacked guys.
- Delta Force operators don't work in a clandestine manner, they work in a covert manner. Meaning, their operations have plausible deniability. They need to blend in, not stand out. In some instances, they need to blend in so well, that American conventional troops can't even recognize them. They aren't a tip of a spear, they are the tip of the scalpel.
- ACE (Army Compartmented Element) operators (formerly CAG/Delta Force) absolutely work clandestinely. The overwhelming majority of their operations are conducted clandestinely. They can also operate individually, and covertly. ACE is primarily a direct action force. They go through the Operator's Training Course and spend a considerable amount of time in many specialized training courses not available to most SOF units. They don't need to blend in, necessarily. They are trained to, yes, but the more "look indigenous" requirements end up with Special Forces teams under the Commander's In-Extremis Force (CIF). These are essentially Special Forces teams repurposed for direct action in order to plus up the available National Mission Force (SOF units not attributable to a specific combatant command). They don't wear unit designators, but I assure you we in the conventional force can recognize them. When you see a long-hair with a beard wearing khakhi cargo pants and Merrill boots with a Megadeth t-shirt, trucker cap, and Oakleys in Baghdad, you know what you're dealing with. Plausible deniability doesn't really apply to military operations. The problem with the kind of work done by ACE is that there are very very very few organizations on earth capable of performing at that level, and almost all of them are Western (except perhaps the GRU). It doesn't really serve their purpose to be covert when it's easy to attribute an operation to the United States simply based on the level of sophistication. You are right about them being the scalpel, however.
- Awesome response. Wasn't Devgru under the command of the CIA during the bin Laden raid? The raid was a clandestine mission, but I am curious because it is a matter of command. I believe the Special Activities Division of the CIA over the past decade has used tier 1 units during paramilitary intelligence activities. While working under the command of the CIA, special operations units could work in a covert capacity during a covert action.
- I've even heard that delta won't take individuals with tattoos. Need to have clean body's incase they are killed overseas and that mission wasn't on the books...or to make it harder to spot a operator that has done several different missions.
- Hi. Former special advisor to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low-Intensity Conflict here. The office I worked in conducts oversight of SOCOM, including JSOC. I've been to Range 19 many times, and my office was full of SOF operators turned staff officers (O-4+). I've even heard that delta won't take individuals with tattoos. Need to have clean body's incase they are killed overseas and that mission wasn't on the books...or to make it harder to spot a operator that has done several different missions. There is no truth to this. ACE (Army Compartmented Element) pulls the majority of its operators from the Ranger Regiment because the mission is essentially the same: direct action. I've met operators who are bald and clean shaven. I've met operators who look like homeless alcoholic vagrants. I've met operators who are tattooed nearly head to toe. They don't particularly care about your appearance. What they want are the right skills for the job, not necessarily the best guys overall. They don't want to limit the pool they draw from when selecting and training operators. They take the top 1% of the top 10% of the Army. Why make that pool smaller by removing guys with tattoos? Believe it or not, these guys actually get killed all the time. That's because they are expected to operate under the most extreme conditions. They are expected to be able to do things that appear impossible. They often do, but they often also suffer serious losses. That's the nature of being a part of the National Mission Force. Explain to me how one would "spot an operator that has done several different missions." It sounds plausible on paper, but you need to understand that these guys are experts. They go to great lengths to obscure their identities. You're going to have a hard time identifying any single bearded operator with a few tattoos just based on that. You can go on google and find pictures of operators and I guarantee you couldn't identify them based on those pictures.
- That is the smallest percentage of a population group I can think of. Seems like you would be left with a very small handful folks.
- It's surprisingly small. There are recruitment classes in which they don't even select people despite having made it through the training simply because they don't feel they are a good fit for the organization.
- Actually, CIA recruits primarily from within Army Special Forces. They don't take these guys very often. Different missions, different needs. Operators are world class athletes. If you think Olympians are physical specimens you have seen nothing. These guys are truly superhuman. On average these guys are not young soldiers. Recruitment requires that you already have considerable time in service and have achieved a particular rank for both enlisted and officer recruitment. I can't give you actual numbers, but we lose operators more often than one would hope or imagine. That's the price that comes with being the real-life Impossible Mission Force. ACE makes one promise to those who are welcomed into the organization, "We can promise you a medal, a bodybag, or both."
- Interesting, thanks!
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