From the this image being much older than Yep, my fault, the photo is at least 4 years old april . I get that ships are often referred to in the feminine gender that is grammatical but ...
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- I remember this image being much older than April
- Yep, my fault, the photo is at least 4 years old .
- I get that ships are often referred to in the feminine grammatical gender, but in this case would it be "He's in the med right now" because of its name?
- Yes, Russians normally use the masculine gender for warships in general.
- No idea really, but USS George W. Bush, for instance, is definitely a "she", so I assumed same applies here. Not a native speaker though.
- It doesn't. Russian ships are male unless they have a clearly (grammatically) feminine name. Peter the Great 's pronouns are he, him and his.
- But we're still referring to a battleship , which is, by custom and definition, a she . I'm not sure that in this particular case the gender should be translated, rather than keeping in line with the established norms of the English language. Again, I'm not pushing one way or another, I'm actually mostly curious at this point.
- But we're still referring to a battleship, which is, by TRADITIONAL WESTERN custom and definition, a she. I studied russian a bit, i might be wrong, but most if not all words in russian are gendered. If something ends with certain letters it is a she, but if this world is a male name, the grammatical structure should refer to a he. I guess keeping in line with this, russian battleships are he.
- I strongly feel that we need some input from actual seamen at this point, or failing that, linguists. You're partially right ref "everything has a gender"; there is also a "neuter gender" (see "??????", for example) that is neither female, nor male. Moreover, it's not as simple as the ending. But I strongly feel that we digress. In Russian, ??????? ??????? "???? ???????" is definitely a "he". Whether to submit to English customs and call any vessel a "she" is a matter of choice, from what I gathered. Here's a wikipedia article about an ironclad named "Peter the Great", and it's a "she": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ironclad_Petr_Veliky The battlecruiser, funnily enough, is refered to as "it": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Pyotr_Velikiy Most of the Western sources that I found are calling the ship in question a "she". Again, I welcome any and all contributions, specifically from native speakers.
- Russian speaker back at ya. It is most definitely a "he", unless we're speaking English and that's what we're trying to establish here.
- A male in Russia is also a male in England?
- neuter gender Aaaand this is why i nearly failed Russian in school. But iirc the gender of most words are depending on the ending. I think constants are mostly male and vowels are female but some and the "b" looking letter are neutral. Again, i might be wrong, but something along these lines is what happens. I don't think when they put up the rules they were too concerned about calling battlecruisers he/she. I think in this case both should be okay.
- iirc the gender of most words are depending on the ending While that's a reasonable rule of thumb, by no means is it all-encompassing. See: "????????", "??????", "??????", "?????" and lots of other examples. Those are just off the top of my head and a bit of googling. A battlecruiser is a definite "he" in Russian. I'm sticking to my guns and calling ???? ???????, the battlecruiser, a "she" in English.
- You brought back painful memories of studying Russian in school and huge pile of rules with numerous exceptions to very rule.
- Are you some sort of ship tracking bot? Quick, where is the USS Constitution???
- Boston Naval Shipyard?
- There is a ship tracking website But as far as i know it doesn't show warships Read more comments