Pre-dreadnought battleship HMS Victoria shortly before being launced in 1887.[1400 x 1792]


Getting rammed by Camperdown Why did two british vessels attack the other person Admiral Tryon attempted a maneuver that is difficult two columns of battleships that all his captains could ...



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  • Getting rammed by Camperdown
  • Why did two british vessels attack one another
  • Admiral Tryon attempted a difficult maneuver with two columns of battleships that all his captains could see was going to be an utter disaster, but none of them objected or even tried to move out of the way because they figured that Tryon had a secret up his sleeve + the Victorian RN, despite constantly invoking the spirit of Nelson, found the idea of disobeying orders distasteful A widespread theory regarding the accident circulating at the time was that Tryon had mistaken the radius of the ship's turning circle for its diameter, and thus had allowed only two cables space instead of four, plus a safety margin of a further two cables between the two columns of ships. Bourke was questioned about this and stated that this possibility had not occurred to him at the time. However, he also begged the court to allow him not to discuss a conversation with Tryon, where he had pointed out before the collision that Victoria's and Camperdown's turning circles were each about 800 yd (730 m), whereas the admiral had ordered the ships to be spaced only 1,200 yd (1,100 m) apart. Despite Bourke's request not to discuss this point, it was he himself who raised the matter in the court, which had not asked about it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Victoria_collision_sequence.gif/251px-Victoria_collision_sequence.gif
  • If I remember rightly it was very foggy, it hit the Camperdown amidships with it's Bow I think
  • Wow, just read John Jellicoe was one of the survivors, fascinating!
  • And if you dive her wreck, you get exactly this view. She's sticking up straight from the ocean floor, one of two known wrecks stuck in that position.
  • Lotta deadweight behind that ram...
  • https://youtu.be/RQj1-UqgOwA?t=41
  • That wreck is in amazing condition.
  • The other one being Rusalka, I suppose? Diagram of the wreck as she sits today: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N698dMv0IAQ/U9Duei54-pI/AAAAAAAAA6o/kzKABtMSMxQ/s1600/ru_rusalka_diagram_text.gif And here's a video of a diving expedition to the Rusalka. The Gulf of Finland is rather dirty, so you don't see much, but the details are still interestin.g
  • Yup, that's the one. Thanks for the links. Sadly, the video is blocked here in the US.
  • That scrollwork is a fascinating touch. It's a modern steel battleship but still decorated like the old line-of-battle sailing ships. When did they stop doing that?
  • World War 1 (or really, the run up to WW1).
  • That sort of makes sense when I think about it.
  • Those two-blade props are mildly surprising. I would have thought that they'd've been using mostly 3 and 4 by this point.
  • The other blades were added later, you can see where they would be inserted in OP's pic as in the comment below. Also this video shows the four blades on the vertical wreck https://youtu.be/RQj1-UqgOwA
  • I think those other blades were there originally just not at the time this photo was taken. If you look closely, you can see large spaces where the other blades would be inserted into the hub.
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