A10 Kill Markings from Desert Storm, 1991 [3000 x 2241]


More or less happens when you yourself have complete air superiority. Iraqi Air Defenses were overwhelmed using the level of atmosphere sorties being flown too. Is this why we have aircraft such as the f22 ...



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  • Pretty much happens when you have complete air superiority. Iraqi Air Defenses were overwhelmed with the amount of air sorties being flown as well.
  • Is this why we have aircraft like the f22 and 35? The United States has air superiority in the world?
  • American air superiority is unquestioned. The only countries that come close to posing any sort of challenge for the US Air Force would be Russia and China.
  • Does China have good aircrafts?
  • They have capable aircraft, and lots of them which are cheaper to produce. They're not on par with American or Russian jets in terms of technology, but they do pose a challenge and I'm sure they can probably hold their own.
  • they probably play the quantity strategy rather than quality?
  • Right now only very specific circumstances would allow the Chinese to use that strategy, like if the Chinese were defending their mainland. The USAF couldn't forward base enough aircraft to even the numbers, so they'd have to rely on the Navy to make up the difference. If we're talking about outside of the mainland and nearby airspace, it quickly becomes the opposite- the Chinese have a very hard time projecting force. For example, the USAF alone has >450 active tankers versus the PLAAF's 12.
  • For example, the USAF alone has >450 active tankers versus the PLAAF's 12. Exactly and on the flip side Tanker Denial is one of the things that could cripple the U.S operating in that area. It is kind of a pointless exercise really, any state big enough to sustain an airforce worth thinking about would not get involved in a war. Purely looking at things by numbers is also a bit pointless. The Saudis have a high spec military and on paper could have rolled over Iraq in Gulf War 1 had they wanted to. Yet they still wanted international help. You can buy all the latest gadgets you want but unless you have the training, the maintenance and the mind set to develop tactics it makes you a paper tiger. The Saudis have a mix of front line U.S and EU military equipment but are struggling with guerrilla groups in the south of the peninsula. The other example is the new Iraqi and Afghan Armed Forces. Iraq in particular was de-Baath'd expunging the people with experience. When ISIS popped up as a rag tag bunch of vicious bastards the Iraqi army outgunned them significantly but often dropped kit and ran rather then hold and fight whilst calling in reinforcements, air assets etc. TL;DR Comparing numbers side by side is not very useful. Readiness, training, morale, logistics etc all play a huge part in a forces efficiency.
  • I agree with the gist of your post, but there is an inaccuracy that I woant to address. The Saudis have a high spec military and on paper could have rolled over Iraq in Gulf War 1 had they wanted to. Yet they still wanted international help. This isn't entirely true. The Saudis did not have a high spec military prior to 1991. They had a small military force with a few capable equipment but their technology was not up to date. This was mostly because the Saudis relied on the US and the UK for their security. This had always been the agreement between the US and Saudi Arabia in exchange of cheap oil and regional and geo-political partnership. It was the Gulf War that forced the Saudis to modernize their military, and a lot of equipment was brought after the Gulf War, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s. On paper, they could not have rolled on to Iraq because their military was incredibly small.
  • Yeah, though considering how US has both the first and second largest airforce in the world they're coming up a bit short on the quantity matter.
  • Yay for redundancy!
  • Being number one for America wasn't enough apparently, heh.
  • The Chinese have a reputation for copying other countries technology (duh) and this applies for military equipment too. Chinese aircraft are often powered by knock-off Russian jet engines that under perform. They have still yet to produce a native engine that is comparable with Russian or U.S. engines.
  • Yes, other than russian aircraft built domestically they also have some native designs that are fairly capable (most notably the J-10 which is regarded as a good 4th gen multirole fighter jet). It's still up for speculation how far along their 5th gen programs really are and how effective they'll be, but just the fact that they're in the process of developing them is a good indication that they're trying very hard to catch up.
  • Serious question. Any thoughts on the Taiwanese F-CK IDF in comparison to the main landers?
  • Unfortunately I haven't heard enough about it from a source I'd call reliable to know quite what it could do. Sorry.
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